It is interesting to note that, in constructing his pedigree, Leycester consulted earlier works entitled 'Ordericus Vitalis' 1, 'Gemeticensis' and other ancient Authors'. Ormerod comments that, though he used Leycester, he has made corrections in the light of other documents. Whilst Leycester appears to list Gilbert's Domesday holdings he was already questioning whether Gilbertus de Venables and Gilbertus Venator 'were two distinct Persons ? bee some doubt'. Leycester also suggests that the two distinct families may have been joined in marriage 'in the raigne of Henry the Second or sooner'. Right: Leycester's introduction to the Venables Source: Sir Peter Leycester's 'Pedigrees of Cheshire', Cheshire Archives

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The early Venables are recorded thus. It is interesting to note that there is no record of either his wife or his immediate heir.

Above: The first Venables of Middlewich Source: Sir Peter Leycester's 'Pedigrees of Cheshire', Cheshire Archives Clicking on the image will open a more complete A4 landscape 530Kb jpg image.

There are two possible discrepancies between the Leycester/Ormerod and the JR Crompton trees:

• This extract illustrates the possibility that JR Crompton has missed generation II; the son of the original Gilbert.
• It is also noticeable that the first Hamon, who according to JR Crompton is the progenitor of the Crompton of Crompton line, appears in Leycester/Ormerod-generation IV as opposed to Crompton-generation 2 (marked in red text).

There remains, however, the possibility that Leycester and Ormerod were only following the direct descendants of the first three Gilberts and those who took the family name Venables. However, a Hamon de Venables may have been an unrecorded brother of one of Ormerod/Leycester-generation II or III, with the Hamon name continuing through the Venable and Legh families.

Footnotes
¹Odericus Vitalis 'Historia Ecclesiastica'. Some Oderic's translations are available at Fordham University

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