1066 Info 7 for Norman Origins
The Venables of Middlewich according to Leycester
It is interesting to note that, in constructing his pedigree, Leycester consulted
earlier works entitled 'Ordericus Vitalis' 1, '
Gemeticensis' and other ancient Authors'.
Ormerod comments that, though he used Leycester, he has made corrections in the light
of other documents.
Whilst Leycester appears to list Gilbert's Domesday holdings he was already
questioning whether Gilbertus de Venables and Gilbertus Venator 'were two
distinct Persons 'bee some doubt'. Leycester also suggests that the two
distinct families may have been joined in marriage 'in the raigne of Henry the
Second orsooner'.
Right: Leycester's introduction to the Venables
Source: Sir Peter Leycester's 'Pedigrees of Cheshire', Cheshire
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The early Venables are recorded thus. It is interesting to note that there is no record of
either his wife or his immediate heir.
Above: The first Venables of Middlewich Source: Sir Peter Leycester's 'Pedigrees of Cheshire', Cheshire
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There are two possible discrepancies between the Leycester/Ormerod and the JR Crompton trees:
This extract illustrates the possibility that JR Crompton has missed generation II; the
son of the original Gilbert.
It is also noticeable that the first Hamon, who according to JR Crompton is the progenitor
of the Crompton of Crompton line, appears in Leycester/Ormerod-generation IV as opposed to
Crompton-generation 2 (marked in red text).
There remains, however, the possibility that Leycester and Ormerod were only following the
direct descendants of the first three Gilberts and those who took the family name Venables.
However, a Hamon de Venables may have been an unrecorded brother of one of Ormerod/Leycester-
generation II or III, with the Hamon name continuing through the Venable and Legh families.
