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| The Restoration Period | The Stuart Period | Cayton origins | Thomas of Bridlington |
| Hunmanby connections | Filey connections | Bridlington connections | Bridlington Quay connection |
| The House of Blois | From the 13th to 16th Century |
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| of Venables, Normandy and Kinderton, Cheshire |
| Caution: Genealogical links between Gilbert de Venables and the Cromptons of the East Riding are speculative. Though often very detailed in its content, some of this data is unreferenced. Evidence may never be forthcoming due to the complexities of the passage of time and the lack of real evidence. There are at least two speculative links. From:
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Left: the blazon of the Venables family and of the
village of Venables in the Department of Eure, Normandy
Azure two bar argent In chief three mullets or pierced of the last Crest: A wyvern wreathed gu or Motto: Venabulis vinco |
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Gener GENEALOGICAL ORIGINS ACCORDING TO ...ation Ormerod/Leycester 1 Harl 2 JR Crompton 3 ------|-----------------------------------------|--------------------------|---------------------------------- I Gilbert de Venables Gilbert de Venables Gilbert de Venables
This page shows the obvious difference in interpretation of the available material, particularly JR Crompton's.
Whist it seems possible that the progenitor of the Crompton family was Gilbert de Venables, later Barons of Kinderton, there is still uncertainty concerning the origins of the Crompton family within the township of Crompton, Lancashire. Several different trees have been offered but none with an absolute link. Whilst JR Crompton's weakness is the 11th century his strength is his recording his interpretation of the Cromptons of Crompton township. 3
The key is in making the link to High Legh and from there to Crompton in Lancashire. Since High Legh was Gilbert de Venables Domesday manor of Lege it is possible that one of his descendant inherited High Legh and adopted the toponym 5de Legh. The key figure appears to be Hamon de Legh who was granted West Hall 4 (Ormerod), but the first Hamon appears in generations II, IV and V depending on the researcher.
It is possible that the link is the migration of one Simon de Lee who with his son Hugh was living in Crompton and, according to records of Lancaster Assize of 20 October 1246, was in dispute with the Abbot of Roche over taking earth away from a quarry in the village of Crumpton [sic]. The other plaintiffs were Brun de Crompton and his brother Jordan, Adrian son of Elias and Gilbert de Bartos. (Parker, 1904 p.6)
End notes:
1 'The following pedigree down to the extinction of the male line is transcribed from a
MS. pedigree by sir [sic] Peter Leycester, which has been collated and corrected from Inquisitions
p.m. [the Pleas and Recognition Rolls] and the Venables chartulary ... .' (Ormerod, p.198)
2 Working, before 1882, from the Harleian Manuscript 1424 which includes a transcript of
the Visitation Record and from Harleian Manuscript 1505 which includes another transcript (or
possibly a transcript of a transcript) of the Visitation Record. The original Visitation Records are
in the College of Arms. I have no other information about the Harleian Manuscripts.
3 JR Crompton does not reference his sources.
4 There were two families living in High Legh - the Leghs of East Hall and the Leghs of
West Hall.
5 Toponym a name taken from the place of abode eg of Venables.
Sources:
Parker Col. John, 'A calendar of the Lancashire Assize Roll, Part 1', The Record Society,
1904.
Walton Mike, 'The Venables - Barons of Kinderton' of Middlewich. With acknowledgement of his
unpublished paper, 5th Venables Conference, Venables, department of Eure.
Suggestions for this genealogical progress are offered by:
It seems only right to present, until something more definite is proven, the alternatives for consideration and evolution.
| The origins according to Sir Peter Leycester 1666 | The origins according to Ormerod, 1882 | The origins according to James R Crompton, 1902 |
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| This page was created by Richard Crompton and maintained by Chris Glass |
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